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Ams Jendob
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 Post Posted: Sat, January 10th 2009 05:16pm    Post subject: The Scrapheap!!!111111111!12!
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Sorry for having fun with the title. :p To help CMAC out with issues, we need to know which ones you are withdrawing (you get money for this) or redesigning. If you have anything extra-secret and sensitive, PM me and I'll pass it along to CMAC.

Also, if you have any recommendations for canon items to add, feel free. :)


Withdrawn
All things Tau
MG9 Proton Torpedo
IMC-2000
Akula I
Akula II
Terminator-Experimental and related items
Wraith Starfighter
Behemoth Assault Cruiser
Hawk-class Cruiser and associated ordnance (Thyferra will be explained as a prototype, later scrapped)
Nespis-class Cruiser
Karideph Cruiser
Vigilant Frigate
Nova and Nova 3
Apex-class Supership
IPHT-1A Interplanetary Hyperturbolaser
Lannister-I
Devaron-class
Sovereign-class
Daedalus-class
Destructor-class
Asfragata-class
Aeon-class
Hammer-class Infantry Mech
Devaron Heavy Starfighter
Devaron Interceptor
Cargo Facility
Space Colony Class-3
XQ2 Platform
XQ3 Platform
Communications Relay Station
Vorzyd-class Shipyard
92FS
M4
MP5
Providence-class Destroyer (Tiara)
Edict-class Light Cruiser

Redesigning
ISD-I
ISD-II
Imperial Command Ships except Executor0-class
Acclamator-II Frigate
Mythosaur-class Battleship
Indomitable
Nespis-II
Vigilant-II
Inferno-class Heavy Assault Bomber
Adarlon-class

Lannister-II
Sovereign-II
IntelForce CMC-100 and CMC-300 combat armor
T-300, T-350, T-370 Terminator Series
Chancellor-class

Canons
Telgorn Corporation
Yutrane-Trackata
Wandrau Arms
Byblos Drive
Xizor Transport Systems
Delvin Constructs
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 Post Posted: Sat, January 10th 2009 07:28pm    Post subject:
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In light of the redesigning of the Imperators, I'd like to redesign the Mythosaur (Moff knows what I'm talking about). :p
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 Post Posted: Sun, January 11th 2009 07:29am    Post subject:
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I'd like to withdraw:

Nespis-class
Karideph
Vigilant
Nova and Nova 3
Apex-class

Redesign:

Indomitable (heavily)
Nespis-II (to put it in line with new ISD specs, but make it worse in several key areas :P )
Vigilant-II
Inferno-class
Adarlon-class (make it less of a blatant Venator ripoff)


Is there anything else you'd be happier me redesigning/scrapping, Ams?

Oh, and I realised: in the asset wipe, do I lose my Executors? That hurts my feelings. :P
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 Post Posted: Sun, January 11th 2009 01:57pm    Post subject: Re: The Scrapheap!!!111111111!12!
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Ams Jendob wrote:
canon items to add, feel free.
WELL. Since you said that...

Gimme a minute...

I think you should put Gallofree Yards on the manufacturers list with the GR-75, the GR-45, and the HTT-26 (tone that one down however you want).

Then MandalMotors with the Crusader-Class gunship, Keldabe-Class battleship, the M22-T Krayt gunship, and M3-A Scyk fighter.

I think that's all for now, except to repeat my mention of the Allegiance-Class, TIE/ap-1, and Century tank, and add the Juggernat to that list. :D
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 Post Posted: Sun, January 11th 2009 02:06pm    Post subject:
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Doesn't Arlyn own MandalMotors? And Keldabes/Crusaders are on the Tyber Zann 'shunned by all' list. :P
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 Post Posted: Sun, January 11th 2009 03:19pm    Post subject:
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Withdrawn
IPHT-1A Interplanetary Hyperturbolaser
Lannister-I
Devaron-class
Sovereign-class
Daedalus-class
Destructor-class
Asfragata-class
Aeon-class
Hammer-class Infantry Mech
Devaron Heavy Starfighter
Devaron Interceptor
Cargo Facility
Space Colony Class-3
XQ2 Platform
XQ3 Platform
Communications Relay Station
Vorzyd-class Shipyard
Combat Utility Vehicle (CUV)
I also withdraw all rights and blueprints to any Clone Wars-era products currently held by DevaronTechnologies.

Redesign
Lannister-II
Sovereign-II (The pending one, which I'll revise once the reset goes through)

Keep
Bestine-class
Baelish-class
Vindicator-class
Antar-class
Adumar-class
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 Post Posted: Sun, January 11th 2009 05:11pm    Post subject:
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I think you should put Gallofree Yards on the manufacturers list with the GR-75, the GR-45, and the HTT-26 (tone that one down however you want).

Gallofree went out of business. That's why they're not up there.

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Then MandalMotors with the Crusader-Class gunship, Keldabe-Class battleship, the M22-T Krayt gunship, and M3-A Scyk fighter.

Possibly but unlikely. The ships in FoC relied too much on certain game mechanics to be reliably transferred to VIII. Mass driver cannons do not magically pierce shields in this game.

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I think that's all for now, except to repeat my mention of the Allegiance-Class, TIE/ap-1, and Century tank, and add the Juggernat to that list. :D

...The Gauntlet-class Star Destroyer is a two-mile long light command ship that's going to cost a massive amount. I really wouldn't hold your breath for acquiring any. :p
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 Post Posted: Mon, January 12th 2009 12:20am    Post subject:
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Derek Brand wrote:
Doesn't Arlyn own MandalMotors?


Yes. : P
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 Post Posted: Mon, January 12th 2009 12:25pm    Post subject:
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And I still have all of VVD's silly designs, and his CW stuff. But it's all crap, so who cares?
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 Post Posted: Mon, January 12th 2009 02:10pm    Post subject:
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Hmmm... well, Venators and Acclamators, and technically speaking, ISD-Is are also "CW Crap." :p
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 Post Posted: Mon, January 12th 2009 02:25pm    Post subject:
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Also keep in mind that stuff that's undisputed crap today in the current system (Acclamators for example) are going to get relatively better in the new system. Acclamators may be generations out of date, but that doesn't make them pansies.
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Yay! :P
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One generation. And their troop capacity is only exceeded by heavy command ships and Evakmar Corps transports.:p
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 Post Posted: Thu, January 15th 2009 06:30pm    Post subject:
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Withdraw
92FS
M4
MP5
My access to VvD's Clone Wars designs...

Redesign


Keep
AI-01 X-Wing Starfighter
Blackbird-class Stealth Reconnaissance Fighter
WASP Armor
Providence-class Destroyer
VET-7007 Longshot Quad Turbolaser
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 Post Posted: Thu, January 15th 2009 07:30pm    Post subject:
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Aww, you're withdrawing the projectile line? :(
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Indeed, I'm gonna equip my new peeps with E-11s.
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Ams Jendob wrote:
Gallofree went out of business. That's why they're not up there.
Can I seak into their former HQ, steal the design for the HTT and... use it? :D plzplzplz?

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Possibly but unlikely. The ships in FoC relied too much on certain game mechanics to be reliably transferred to VIII. Mass driver cannons do not magically pierce shields in this game.

The Keldabe can be reworked with normal mass drivers. The Crusader just uses lasers.
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Can I seak into their former HQ, steal the design for the HTT and... use it? plzplzplz? :D

In order to do that, you would need espionage training, a good reason as to why you know where their HQ is and how to access their designs and then the means with which to make them. Of course since the company is defunct, they probably don't have a HQ, which will make your job all the more difficult.

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The Keldabe can be reworked with normal mass drivers. The Crusader just uses lasers.

Which would leave us with a cheap Star Destroyer knockoff from an expansion that wasn't really that good anyway. Besides, Arlyn has too many ships already :P
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And the main problem with ship-based mass drivers in power consumption. If it's a rail-gun, it needs a ton of power (Which could be used for several turbolasers instead). If it's a coilgun, it needs even more power. Bottom-line, it's nowhere near cost-effective enough for weaponization (Unless you're arming them with nukes or something, but that probably violates some sort of galactic convention).
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That's just Mass Effect. :P

Really, the only true application for a ship with 1 huge mass accelerator cannon would be for extremely long range combat, and ridiculous destruction. While I would enjoy it, knowing that sheilds in SW allow ships to crash into meteors unharmed (ridiculous but true), so the end result will be a huge starship firing nuclear warheads at long range in an attempt to destroy a couple of starfighters which would then, of course, dodge. Not realistic, but realistic.
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While I would enjoy it, knowing that sheilds in SW allow ships to crash into meteors unharmed (ridiculous but true), so the end result will be a huge starship firing nuclear warheads at long range in an attempt to destroy a couple of starfighters which would then, of course, dodge. Not realistic, but realistic.

...How is that not realistic? It can survive a giant energy blast, but not a little rock knocking into it?:p

Also, I would like to point out that I greatly commend Tiara for giving up an entire canon design lineup. That was another bit of a sticking point in VII and earlier VIII. >_>
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I'm just talking physics. Without the dampening effects of an atmosphere, rocks can move at tremendous speeds (and so can spaceships) to the point where their impact, if it weren't for the amazing invention known as sheilds, would be like millions of nuclear weapons going off. And I'm talking small rocks and small ships. Energy hitting an unprotected ship would just equal the ship melting or something to that effect.

As for the cannon part, that made absolutely no sense to me. :P
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I'm talking physics, too. :p

And which cannon part? The mass drivers?
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Whatever you said in your post after the :P guy.
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Overstating a bit, aren't you? True, accelerated mass has the yield of several nukes, but not millions. That would destroy the planet, its atmosphere, and anything in orbit for several thousand kilometers. :P
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